It is important to take on the anti-bin charge protesters. I have spoken at length about this issue. In my area one side of the road comes under South Dublin County Council, another side comes under Dublin City Council and further up the road comes under Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council. Each of the three councils has a separate flat rate for waste charges. I welcome the polluter pays principle. This would get rid of the flat rate and everyone would learn how to recycle and reduce their waste. This would be acceptable to people and would get rid of the anti-charge protests that are taking place because, to be honest, we pay for everything. We pay for our electricity, telephone and I see nothing wrong with paying to have my refuse removed. However, l want to be educated on how to minimise my waste. If we drop the word "incinerator", we will be able to put in place a coherent policy and structure, which I would welcome.