The report is about delivering quality care in centres of excellence, covering the full spectrum of care, and then providing quality of care over a more limited spectrum in local centres that comprise centres of excellence within their capacities. We are not talking about hospitals will fewer good people but about hospitals with a smaller range of specialist services. The way to persuade the public is to develop quality centres that they can see and show them that a traffic jam on the margins of Cork, Limerick or Dublin will not mean that a journey from Naas, for example, to a centre of excellence in Dublin, such as Tallaght Hospital, would not take two and a half hours, as it would have done this morning in an ambulance. It would definitely have taken two and a half hours to get from Naas to St. Vincent's Hospital because of the traffic chaos.