There is no doubt we are in a mess on this issue. I welcome the Minister of State at the Department of Transport, Deputy McDaid, who is an old friend of mine and I am always happy to hear what he has to say. However, I have the impression that the Minister has funked coming in here to debate this with his predecessor, Senator O'Rourke. We would have enjoyed hearing their views. I do not know what he is afraid of. They could speak at different times. The Cathaoirleach might mention this to the Minister because it is upsetting and it takes away somewhat from the debate. Nevertheless, I welcome the Minister of State, Deputy McDaid, and look forward to hearing what he has to say.