We also have to think back to when the process started to various other problems which were then, and still are largely, in the service. We were finding it very difficult to hold on to professional grades and that is still the case. For example, it was almost impossible to hold on to architects or people with town planning qualifications within county or city councils. We had to import them from abroad. The architects were going to the private sector because they could make more money there. That was true of a large number of professional grades within the Civil Service, but it was also true at the other end of the sector.