We will not get to grips with our public transport costs by introducing more competition. There is not a scrap of evidence throughout the world that quasi privatisation or any of the other experiments being mentioned will do much to change the cost of public transport. The only way to do it is through a deliberate public policy of keeping the prices at levels which will attract consumers to use it. We are in danger of pricing public transport out of the market. Whether public transport is provided directly by State owned companies or by franchise private companies is a secondary issue. I am sceptical about competition because I do not believe it is possible to have real competition in this area.