I cannot see the objection to doing this. Perhaps there are people in the Houses who do not have the confidence to deal with the staff and who feel that the only way we can hold a position of status is to be above them and looking down on them, but for people who think clearly about these issue, that cannot be a sustainable position. It is absolutely appalling that there is no representative from the staff on the commission. Members should look at all the documentation that has come out. They should read about benchmarking and the 56-page document dealing with the proposals in the various areas of education, health, civil service and local government. Bringing people into the decision-making process is crucial. People are being asked to share decision-making and to have some stake in the area in which they work. We have not given the staff any access to the commission – not even observer status. There is no participation whatever. It is a formula for problems.