This debate is rendered somewhat unreal by our unwillingness to grasp the aspect of military capacity, which does not seem to have occurred to us. We are not in a position to do anything and are of no use to anybody. While the House or any other forum can debate as much as they like whether we should be part of some aggressive action that might take place anywhere in the world, we do not have the military capacity to do so in any event. If we were to apply to join NATO tomorrow, it would not want us. We would be told to invest in our Defence Forces and our military capacity and come back in ten or 15 years' time.