This is not a draconian measure and is not going to rip the heart out of family holidays. If I am going on a family holiday with a 16 or 17 year old, it is not a draconian or unreasonable step for me to have to tell him or her to respect the house rules and go out into the lounge, up to the TV room or residents' lounge or to the room specially provided for family meals or wherever, as long as it is out of the public bar of the hotel. If I did not do this, all of this business about identification cards would collapse like a house of cards. It would mean nothing. If we relax on this and say that 16 or 17 year olds can be in the public bar of a large hotel such as, say, the Burlington Hotel in Dublin, after 9 p.m., then it is a matter of people going around and sticking their fingers in people's glasses to see what they are drinking. In reality, that is not a workable law.