Michael McDowell (Dublin South East, Progressive Democrats)

I tend to agree with Senator O'Toole. It would not be appropriate for me to dismantle the current arrangements without adequate consultation. I am interested in the points raised by Senator Dardis and that in some parts of the country matters are so bad that grasshoppers are a local delicacy.

Senator Derek McDowell's point about the difference in opinion regarding the employment of young people reminds me of the old adage of the Jesuits, "Give me the boy of seven and I will give you the man." The Thatcherites in England say, "Give me the boy of seven and I will have your chimneys swept by half past seven."

Question put and agreed to.

Section 12 agreed to.

SECTION 13.

Question proposed: "That section 13 stand part of the Bill."