Senator McDowell stated that he did not see any change occurring on this matter until France and the UK were no longer members of the UN Security Council. However if the Security Council was just invented, where would we get the members from? We would have one from the Russian Federation, one from China and one from the US, while Europe would have two. That is not a bad deal and we can work with that. Membership of the Security Council should not be a difficulty. Both countries can still work within a common defence policy and be members of the Security Council, giving advice at that level.