Noel Dempsey (Meath, Fianna Fail)

There are people on low incomes who will never see the inside of a third level institution and Senator Ryan knows many of them.

I had the impression from Senator O'Rourke's contribution that she felt I questioned her right to express her views on this matter. I have no difficulty with that. She is entitled to her view. Her experience in the Department of Education and Science is obviously very important, although much has changed in the ten years since she was Minister in the Department.