There were newspaper reports at the weekend that St. Mary's Church, which is just off O'Connell Street and which is being converted into a super-pub – a licence for which was obtained under the law, which means one cannot challenge it although one might want to challenge the law – also received a heritage grant for this conversion. That is astonishing. A similar situation obtained in respect of St. George's Church. This type of behaviour is extraordinarily insensitive and strange. I worked in the area of conservation and heritage for many years and I know that it is damned difficult to obtain a grant of any kind. When a church – which had the Grinling Gibbons carvings stripped out of it when it was not properly attended to – is given a heritage grant to allow it to be converted into a pub, I begin to wonder about people's values.