In relation to general issues raised by Senator Quinn, I was struck by the layers of responsibility he mentioned – State, community, parents and individual. I was also struck by the fact that we have cornered ourselves in our social discourse. The coinage of political talk in Ireland and many western societies has been debased to the point where individual responsibility does not seem to feature at all. I fully accept that the pattern of crime is driven by marginalisation, deprivation and exclusion – anyone would be foolish not to accept that. Issues such as those and dropping out of education are deeply embedded in the crime issue and there is also a class element to crime. However, moral responsibility cuts across the community and we cannot avoid issues of moral responsibility.