Joanna Tuffy (Labour)

This is a new offence. Are we saying that someone who employed a person without a permit before now was guilty of a serious offence? I do not necessarily think they were and I am surprised that the Government believes they were. I have no problem with this new offence being created, I am merely pointing out that the penalty is heavy-handed. There is no contradiction in me, as a Labour Party Senator, saying that; I am as much pro-business as anybody else, but people must be treated fairly.