Joe O'Toole (Independent)

Would the Minister agree that if there were some servants of the State who were predisposed to act, in Senator Mansergh's words, in a minimalist and restrictive fashion, what we are about to do is to make it ten times easier for them to operate in this way? We are actually giving support to people in that frame of mind. If people were of that viewpoint it would be better if they were to deal with the words "relate to" than the word "contain". The box is becoming smaller and smaller, as in an Edgar Allan Poe story.