Maurice Hayes (Independent)

I look forward to the debate on hospitals, a matter in respect of which I am in absolute opposition to almost everything which has been said so far. I hope people do not play politics with hospitals because they are far too important. We should not toss around words like "downgrading". It is a question of whether one wants five or six hospitals in the premier league or two dozen in the third division. I know which option I would take.

I find it ironic that Members are getting into a lather about leaks and freedom of information. It is an indication of the complexity of the subject. In a previous incarnation, I used to investigate leaks and I generally found they were more a case of the reservoir overflowing than of information being deliberately leaked. I would not put all the blame on the press.

The last point I wish to make has been made more difficult by Senator Norris because I do not want to throw accusations around. With regard to the dignity of the House, it is a pity the relevant Minister will not be here when serious legislation, the Freedom of Information (Amendment) Bill, is being taken. While I support large parts of the Bill, other significant sections of it could be improved on Committee Stage. We cannot, however, do anything on Committee Stage if the relevant Minister is not present.