I am a member of the fourth generation of my family to have served successively in local government and not one of us, up to and including myself, ever got a single penny out of the system. We were there to serve, which is what we did. Rightly, my predecessor, Deputy Dempsey, recognised as Minister that the world had changed and that it was not financially reasonable or possible for councillors to support themselves without some income. That is the clear context in which I am introducing these reforms. I am not saying that every councillor will serve full-time, but the nature of the role suggests that such a course may be unavoidable. If a proper system is introduced with a full remuneration package equivalent to the salary of a Member of the Oireachtas then like any job there will be a salary and a pension package. I do not disagree; that is the way it should be.