As regards amendment No. 1, I accept that councillors form part of the electorate for many Senators and that these Senators undoubtedly have a link to local government. That link is not dependent on the continuation of the dual mandate. I understand the loyalties Senators have to their electorate, but have they asked their electorate, the councillors, for their views? Those views are well known. Councillors are not in favour of the continuation of the dual mandate.