I have great sympathy with the legal case Senator Higgins and Deputy Howlin are taking. That goes to show that they need some secrecy and confidentiality to get their job done, which is true of all organisations. It is easy to say there should be total freedom of information with regard to the Government, but not to let it apply to anyone else. I would love to see some of the internal minutes of newspapers when, for example, a proprietor rings an editor about a particular matter. However, despite the fact that newspapers are in the public sphere, nobody gets to see these.