Brian Hayes (Fine Gael)

I thank the Minister for staying in the House and listening to the contributions of Senators. Unfortunately, some of his colleagues make a speech and leave. That there is a difference of opinion in all parties is quite clear. The futility of consistency in respect of all parties arguing for this can be put to one side. There have been many fine speeches from the Fianna Fáil benches, Senators Dardis and Tuffy, among others, putting the case for why this legislation is suspect. The difference of opinion in parties is healthy and we should not be afraid of Members coming to the House with an independent mind prepared to state their opinions. I made this point when we had a debate on Seanad reform. Members should not be tied down by party political policy on this. That is what the Seanad should stand for.

Reference has been made to the amendment my colleagues and I have tabled in respect of the Second Reading of the Bill. Standing Order 104 allows it to proceed where there is reasoned opposition to the basic provisions proposed. Fine Gael has set out three reasons it believes the Bill is premature and will not support its Second Reading. This is consistent with the position we have taken on the issue in recent times.