This is what we can do with broad initiatives. Instead of imposing ideas from the top down, we should examine solutions that come from the bottom up. We must recognise that people are not all bad, we do not need to crack the nut with a sledgehammer. There are different ways of solving the problem. We have diverted from landfill and do not want to see thermal treatment. I plead with the Minister to rethink that strategy as we do not need it. The Minister for Health and Children has announced a ban on smoking in public places from January 2004. Why is he doing this? The answer is that smoking produces carcinogenic emissions and causes cancer. We could argue that thermal treatment in its very best form emits carcinogens. There are those who believe it does but not to the extent that they cause cancer.