I have a marginal disagreement with Senator Ryan with regard to the interpretation of the Ministers and Secretaries Act, 1924, to which he referred. It has been the mark of good secretaries general or Department secretaries, as they were then called, since the foundation of the State that they were always able to make their position clear publicly. Mr. Whitaker was a master of this. I listened to John Bowman's Saturday morning programme three weeks ago. Liam Ó Broin, a former Secretary of the Department of Post and Telegraphs, indicated exactly how he made public his views, which were contrary to the views of ten Ministers, on the founding of RTE.