At European Union level, we only pay lip service to the idea of conservation. If we tolerate a level of discard of 70% that is tangible proof that we merely pay lip service. Why do we not confront the issue by changing mesh sizes or carrying out trials to ensure that what are classified as juvenile fish are not caught in the nets? In many cases, ghost nets are set out over nearly 100 miles and left there. Fishermen later come along and claim whatever is in those nets. What hope do we have if those activities continue? Is it any wonder our fishing vessels are pressured into fishing further away for what are classed as deep sea fish, which are not well known to the Irish consumer, such as orange roughy, scabbard and grenadier, but are now being tried in Irish restaurants. That is the type of pressure our fishing fleet is experiencing.