The strategic management initiative, introduced by Albert Reynolds as Taoiseach, was inspired by the New Zealand model. I fear that what has happened to it is straight out of "Yes Minister". It may have produced some useful reforms but savings on costs and numbers in the public service are not among them. I do not believe that the top pay in the public service should be the same as in industry. If people want to make money they should go into business. There is an ethos of public service which should not be denigrated. Disproportionate increases at or near the top, and I must admit that I benefited from those when I was in the public service, are demoralising to people lower down the scale. I am not in favour of elitism. I think that Ministers, and indeed the Taoiseach, should be paid more than top civil servants rather than the other way around. Otherwise there may be a misleading impression as to who is really in charge.