We should rule certain things out. The worst advisers in this case are those who look at the present. As Senator Minihan said, that is bad thinking. I am pleased the Minister gave a commitment to a 20 year plan. I also welcome the new carriages which have been ordered and are coming on stream because they will make a difference. A number of things have gone wrong. We looked at whether a bad rail service could be made economical and we found it could not. Wrong decisions were then taken on that basis. I know that is a huge simplification and perhaps an unfair one.