I met the former South African President, Mr. de Klerk, recently at the Centre for Peace and Reconciliation in Glencree, County Wicklow, where he spoke about how they had managed to get both sides together in South Africa. His great achievement was to invite Mr. Mandela, who later became President, for talks on the country's future. He said the real problem was that once people came together for talks, they had to be reminded that no one could come out of the meeting happy. It is highly unlikely that all sides can leave any such meeting satisfied. Courage and leadership are also required in Northern Ireland. I hope that by talking and reminding ourselves that the goal is worthwhile, we will achieve it.