There is a need for openness. We must be grown up about this matter. We should not say that people cannot say something because it is heresy. It is the one Department where one must have debate about the issues. They must be out in the open and discussed by the public and in both Houses of the Oireachtas. People must feel they have a voice in any discussions. Above all, however, we must be honest and straightforward about the matter and ensure there is an emphasis on disadvantage.