Legislation is not considered enough and too few people are involved. That is directly related to the fact that a party whip operates in the House. The worst thing for democracy was the establishment of the party whip. It gives power to 15 or 16 people in the Executive who initiate legislation. That is as much a problem for the Government as it is for the Opposition. We must try to abolish the party whip if we want to reform the Seanad. The party whip may be justified in the other House because the Government of the day wants to establish and implement its manifesto commitments which the people support. However, the operation of the party whip – I include my own party – is not necessary in the Seanad because parties do not have manifestos. We do not get our support from the people, unlike Members in the other House. We need to consider this when considering Seanad reform. Could we introduce a law to abolish the party whip in the Seanad and give people the independence to speak freely and take different positions from those of the Government and Opposition? If we are just a mirror of the Dáil, we will not get the best out of the 60 people elected to this House. This proposal was contained in a document entitled, The Democratic Revolution, first published only four years ago by my party colleagues, Deputies John Bruton and Jim Mitchell. It does not benefit Parliament to have very strong whipping arrangements.