The third theme, which was stated honestly to us by senior officials, was the need for restructuring of the European armaments industry, which would only happen if there were an overarching structure of a European army. As the gentleman said to us, it would then be possible to achieve economies of scale and compete with the United States in the world arms market. I can demonstrate to anyone that armaments and not armies have killed more people than the whole drugs industry. The only real difference is that drugs are made by poor people and sold to rich people. On the other side, we must consider who makes the arms and who buys them. I find the whole armaments industry among the most repulsive industries and it is impossible to justify it. A senior official of the EU wanted to sort that out so we could compete with the United States and have two big powers selling armaments to developing countries.