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Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Catherine Connolly: I call Deputy Mattie McGrath.

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Mattie McGrath: I am glad I was here for the Minister of State's freagra earlier. I do not think he has any answers really. He is telling us that it came from the justice committee, and it did. God help the migration pact that is before the justice committee. Is the Minister of State telling me the justice committee unanimously came up with this without opposition or with no discussion? It is a very...

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Thomas Gould: I do not want to be confrontational or get into an argument. I sat in for some of the justice committee because my remit is addiction, recovery and well-being. It is very important that this Bill is right. At no stage did anyone feel - maybe I am wrong here - that this would affect sporting organisations and charities. That was never the intention. This was for the likes of Paddy Power,...

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Michael McGrath: Good man.

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Thomas Gould: Mr. Ahern and I had a meeting about coaching the other night. He does a lottery for the club every Sunday night, as does Mr. Tommy Collins and another few lads, all of whom are volunteers. I mentioned what was happening and Mr. Ahern could not believe it. He did not know about it. I was talking to people in GAA clubs over the weekend. I was talking to a club treasurer and I asked him if...

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Michael Lowry: This measure makes no sense at all. It is unnecessary and foolish in the extreme. It is politically mad and counterproductive. The feedback I have got from organisations in my county is that they are absolutely amazed and cannot understand it. They are asking me if this is for real. They are asking if it is possible that this will get through the Houses of the Oireachtas. It is a highly...

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

James Browne: It was a recommendation of the justice committee.

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Michael Lowry: People are saying it did not come from the justice committee and that this measure was never intended to be a part of the Bill. In my county of Tipperary, there is a hospice movement. I was recently at a fundraising venture that raised something like €200,000. That would not have happened if this restriction was in place. It would be outside the law and could not happen. The...

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Michael Ring: I agree in principle with the Minister of State's Bill because we know we have a problem with gambling in the country. However, as all the previous Deputies have said, the proposal in the Bill is wrong. It is not going to work. I ask the Minister of State not to ask us to vote for the legislation tonight if there is something wrong with it. It is fine for the officials but these voluntary...

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

James Browne: Yes.

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Michael Collins: Then why do we need to change? They are not doing anything wrong. There is an old saying in Ireland, "If it ain’t broke, don't fix it". The Minister of State is saying he is going to allow these organisations to function in the very same way. Will there be absolutely no difference for any lotto that is being done by a local community, voluntary or sporting organisation? Can the...

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

James Browne: I am happy to address the issue.

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Michael Collins: I would like the Minister of State to address that question because this is a very serious matter. If there is going to be any change, that means it is not staying the same. These organisations are totally and utterly dependent on such fundraising. Deputy McGrath mentioned those involved in horse racing and greyhound racing. They have their concerns too. I listen and speak to them quite...

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Marian Harkin: I add my voice to those who are asking the Minister of State to separate fundraising from gambling. He said there is a difference and that he will bring forward amendments in the Seanad. That is crucial. I know he has heard many examples today but I want to give him one or two as well. Listening to my local radio station earlier, I heard an advertisement for North West Hospice radio...

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Thomas Gould: First, I welcome the Minister of State's decision to bring forward amendments in the Seanad. This is a very important Bill. The reason it did not get the scrutiny it needed in the justice committee is that no one thought charities or sporting organisations would be covered. People view gambling as online gambling, betting shops and in-person gambling. They do not look at the GAA, sporting...

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Mattie McGrath: I rise to support these amendments. It appears that we are talking to the wall. We talked again last week.

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

James Browne: You are talking to Government amendments.

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Mattie McGrath: Gabh mo leithscéal? Is the Minister of State muttering something there? I know he is not listening. If he is going to say something, he should say it so I can hear it.

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

James Browne: I am listening, Deputy McGrath. You said you rose to speak to support the amendments. You are speaking to Government amendments at the moment.

Gambling Regulation Bill 2022: Report Stage (Resumed) and Final Stage (1 May 2024)

Mattie McGrath: Gabh mo leithscéal. The Minister of State is quite sharp on that. I am speaking as I did last week. We are on amendment No. 74, which I am totally opposed to. The Minister of State is trying to make his slipshod way out of this. As I said last week, from the start of the Bill, people cannot understand the Minister of State. He just will not listen to anybody. He has been captured...

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