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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: That is agreed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: There is a bit of an irony in that the committee was told that Irish Water would dispense with all of these local authorities. In fact, they are central to the work of Irish Water.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I am happy to leave it until the work programme but I think Ms Healy makes a very fair point.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Obviously, people signed up to this scheme with the expectation they were going to be covered when they retired, and the fact this is a public body would have given them an additional assurance. We are talking about the case of CIÉ but I have engaged also with people from the likes of the ESB, which is a semi-State company. Issues such as inflation and, in this case, potentially full...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, the CIÉ pension scheme has gone backwards.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Can we ask the authority for some additional information? The correspondence states that since the individual energy upgrade scheme was launched in 2009, 22,747 homes built pre-1940 have received grants for 31,287 upgrades thereunder. Very often, they fall into a different category because of the nature of how they are built. Can we ask specifically about, for example, protected structures...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: There are obvious things. It is always useful to say that the Committee of Public Accounts can invite people in. For example, when we look for the Secretary General of a Department to come in, he or she is required to do so. We should acknowledge again that the FAI is not audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General. It falls into the category of organisations that we invite in. I...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Will representatives of the Department of Justice attend both meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Is it not the case that the GSOC representatives have already been invited?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: For 29 February?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: There is a list. Obviously, people have been putting items on the agenda. The key issue is that we should have a purpose. I can see Deputy Verona Murphy has a purpose in trying to consider a particular fund concerning Tusla. I think we need to know what the purpose is. Where there is an issue of concern with any of the accounts or organisations, it should be given higher priority than...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: The Catherine Day report.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I agree with that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Agreed

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: If we are going to have officials from the Department of children and integration – there is a long list of issues – I think we should narrow the focus to the points-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (18 Jan 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I welcome all the officials. I am looking at the C and AG's opening statement and there is a piece missing in terms of the 13 sites. Do we know what the disposed value of those sites was so as we can have a full overview?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: What were they disposed for? How much?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage - Programme A - Housing
Financial Statements 2022 - The Housing Agency
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 11 - Utilisation of the Land Aggregation Scheme Sites
(14 Dec 2023)

Catherine Murphy: In terms of this awful term, "learning lessons", which often we do not do, obviously, the local authority acquired these. According to the C and AG's opening statement, the agency attributes the fact almost half of the site area acquired under the scheme still had no development plans or proposals for delivery of social or affordable housing to issues such as infrastructural constraints,...

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