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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Catherine Murphy: How many people does Mr. McCarthy think-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Mar 2024)

Catherine Murphy: It would be worth asking if there is a plan in place to recoup the rest. If we are writing to Beaumont on this, we should also express our concern about the first item on the risk and ask it to outline the measures it is taking, the project timeline and how it expects to work to that. That has a potential impact on patients and the functioning of the hospital. It is important to flag how...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I welcome the witnesses. As I have even less time than Deputy Kelly, I ask the witnesses to keep their responses as short as possible. To follow on from the line of questioning on the issue that has been in the news, was the new internal compliance unit that has been put in place the unit that found the issue here or was there something before that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: And after that-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: How many people are in this compliance unit?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. We are certainly not going to talk about a particular agency or organisation with which there is Garda involvement. How many other organisations have been excluded as a consequence of this unit being set up and investigating that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: That was over what period of time?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Is there an ambition, instead of using agencies, to set up an actual public service?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Are those State or agency beds?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: It can be seen here that it is costing anyway but in fact it is more than a financial cost. There is a potential cost to very vulnerable children.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: What is the annual cost?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: We are looking at very vulnerable children.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: In regard to the family resource centres, very quickly, I had a look at the map. I am not familiar with family resource centres because there is not one in my constituency. Yet it is a constituency with high levels of growth and the age profile is very young. That is similar to the likes of County Meath, Fingal or south Dublin. I was looking at the spread and it does not seem to grow at...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: We know what needs to happen. Is it practically happening?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: We have just heard about the huge amount of money it costs annually.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Yet it does not transfer across. Let us say those behavioural issues get to the extreme where there has been a lack of therapeutic care. At a much lower level, that could be managed without it costing potentially €700,000 in the most extreme case.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, I know.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I am aware Ms Duggan is not here to answer that. There are, however, silos here and the system is not working in the best interests of very vulnerable people who need care. On the increase in whole-time equivalent staffing, Tusla was able to recruit people at administrative and managerial grades, whereas the number of social workers fell. That obviously means the caseload rose. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: What is the caseload like and how has it changed in the last couple of years?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Are there vacancies on the social work side and, if so, how many?

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