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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Officials from GSOC appeared before us a couple of weeks ago. They told us that, in other jurisdictions, the general caseload is ten cases per investigator and GSOC now has 20 cases per investigator, which is considerably lower than the much higher caseload before this. Obviously there has been an increase in the budget and staffing for GSOC, and we went through that with them. Is there...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Hopefully, so that we reach the international norm and I understand that the Department has to build up to that. I was intrigued by the amount for the highest individual payment for overtime in the Prison Service in 2022. One individual received an overtime payment of €77,000. How does that comply with the EU working time directive? Is the payment a complete outlier? What is the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: It is an incredible amount - €77,000 in overtime.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: The prisons are at capacity and there are new extensions. What is the average cost of keeping someone in prison for a year? Does the Department have the capital budget to complete those projects so as there are sufficient places for people without having very significant overcrowding, which leads to other issues?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I thank the witnesses.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: There is a vetting process.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Obviously, there was a significant investment in staffing in the international protection area. It is self-evident that there is an increase in the processing times. There is going to be an investment in a major modernisation programme across the entire immigration function. Is that going to be exclusively for the Department of Justice or is it going to integrate with the Department of...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Can I stop Mr. Dixon there? I wish we did not use the word "customer". Can we use "client" or some other word? A customer is someone who goes into a shop.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Who is going to be talking to whom? Who is going to see what? Very often there are silos. Is this going to get rid of those silos? Does it involve the Departments of Foreign Affairs, Justice and Social Protection or is it just the asylum process around the individual and where their paperwork is?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Will they be used in this modernisation system?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: It is funded and when will it be fully in place?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: What is the staffing level now? It has been significantly increased so that the processing can be done more efficiently. Is it at full complement now or are there vacancies?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: That figure came from what?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Are there plans to expand further, or is that sufficient?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I want to ask about Algeria. If I was thinking of going on holiday to Algeria and I went on the website of the Department of Foreign Affairs, I would see the warning advising me not to visit particular parts of the country because of problems with terrorism and kidnappings. What engagement is there between the Departments of Foreign Affairs and Justice regarding the decision-making?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I want to go back to issues in the prison service . My understanding is that this week there were 71 women in the upgraded prison in Limerick which only contains 56 beds. What is the overcrowding situation and where will the pinch points be in advance of some of the additional services coming on stream?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Traditionally and now women make up a lower number of the prison population. That obviously has increased. Has any analysis been done on this? We have been given some information as to why there has been an increase in the prison population because of increased court capacity and things like that. Is that likely to have been a catch-up or is there an expectation that it will increase further?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Okay. Prison has a number of functions, including protecting the population, but it is also for rehabilitation. That has to be a central plank of the system. Are there people in prison, swelling the numbers, who are there for things like non-payment of a debt and those kinds of offences?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: It seems to me that the legislation does not require a client to keep the information up-to-date.

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