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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Is Tusla employing people on an agency basis to fill those gaps?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: How much did that cost?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: It is costing Tusla 10% more to do it on an agency basis.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: I will come back.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Will the witnesses confirm whether the other two excluded providers were for-profit providers?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: So the other one was a for-profit provider as well. Will the witnesses give us the top ten providers for 2022, from the point of view of amounts?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: The top is €13 million. Was the one for €10 million over-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: So where would that fall within the ranking?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: These are all for-profit providers.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: So how in total much did Tusla pay in 2022?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Moving on to something else, Tusla is trying to open those nine units. I heard the word "trying". What are the impediments?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: How long would that take?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: That is even after Tusla has done modifications and things like that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Because it gives us a better idea, what amounts of money had they received for services before being excluded?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: So there is not an impediment other than those kinds of things. I remember, for example, in a domestic violence refuge there was an issue with funding additional rooms and things. There is nothing like that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Jack Power wrote an article in The Irish Times in July of last year stating that figures from May showed that Tusla was dealing with 22,740 open cases, some 5,800 of which had not been allocated social workers. Tusla is reconfiguring things. The witnesses do not need to go back over that because I understand it but how many unallocated cases has it got at this stage?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: It has not changed dramatically.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: Would the 5,800 last year have had somebody allocated to them?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Catherine Murphy: What is the average caseload?

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