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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target and General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (19 Oct 2022)

Jackie Cahill: ...any person outside the Houses or an official, either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable. Parliamentary privilege is considered to apply to utterances of members participating online in this committee meeting when their participation is from within the parliamentary precincts. There can be no assurances in the context of participation online from outside the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target and General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (19 Oct 2022)

Mr. Pat McCormack: I will try not to be repetitive. Deputy Carthy asked a question about implications for our members. It will devalue our land. It has the potential to sterilise. We saw that in the past with the hen harrier when there was a small incentive under the rural environment protection scheme, REPS, and the Common Agricultural Policy, CAP, but they disappeared after a short...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target and General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (19 Oct 2022)

Mr. Pat McCormack: In response to Deputy Collins, there was a serious deficit as regards consultation with the various stakeholders. As regards a cost analysis, as I said in response to Deputy Carthy, we need to see an impact assessment in place because it has a huge impact on the potential viability of a farm for the future generations, or maybe for a period of time where there needs to be...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target and General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (19 Oct 2022)

Mr. Pat McCormack: I will answer Senator Boyhan and I will let my colleague, Mr. John Enright, to answer Deputy Fitzmaurice. I am glad the Senator saw similarities in trends because the challenge is there for all of the sectors we represent. We will not shirk our responsibilities from a political level. Equally, I would say to the Senator and to every Member of both Houses of the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target and General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (19 Oct 2022)

Mr. Pat McCormack: I will start at the end with Senator Lombard's question. His last comment was about the public realising what the proposal is today. Does the public realise what the economic effect will be? Can any of us fully establish the economic effect without an assessment being done? That would be challenging. Deputy Flaherty talked the effect that the proposal could have on...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target and General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (19 Oct 2022)

Mr. Pat McCormack: The Deputy spoke about the legal opinion. The timing of his information or ripple-effect information is similar to ours. The cross-Border is an issue. If you turn right going out the gate and arrive into freedom to trade or turn left into complex issues, that would have to be addressed. In the past, brucellosis was a hugely challenging issue in this country and it took...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target and General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (19 Oct 2022)

Mr. Pat McCormack: The Deputy asked about our members. Other stakeholders who appeared before the committee said it could be a loss of earnings for them. In many cases, the other stakeholders are either co-ops or pharmacies. Not near as much is going through the pharmacy as was the case. Given the age profile of farmers with more over 75 than under 35, some of them would be calling to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target and General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (19 Oct 2022)

Mr. Pat McCormack: In reply to Deputy Flaherty, it is absolutely critical that a system is put in place that minimises the exposure of the end user. Farmers are normally referred to as the primary producer when discussing things but the term "end user" is used here. The document specifies that there is potential for a fine of €100,000 or for an invasion of one's home. That is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target and General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (19 Oct 2022)

Mr. Pat McCormack: My point was that a person can go to his or her local co-operative merchant and the merchant will know that person's allocation. A person would not be in a position where he or she would break the law by over-purchasing. The obligation would be on the employee in the co-operative to look at the screen, type in people's herd numbers and say they can only take 2 tonnes or...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target and General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (19 Oct 2022)

Mr. Pat McCormack: That is a huge challenge. At any stage of the year, it is not until 31 December or, indeed, 1 January in any given year that a person will know his or her full stock for the year. That can have an impact on a person's fertiliser usage. It shows the lack of flexibility that is out there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Nature Restoration Target and General Scheme of the Veterinary Medicinal Products, Medicated Feed and Fertilisers Regulation Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (19 Oct 2022)

Mr. Pat McCormack: In its current form, this Bill is overly complex and needs to be simplified. If you read through the fine print, you will see there is the potential for a farmer or a farm family to be fined up to €100,000 for a breach of it. That is a huge fine. Obviously, I fully endorse the Senator's comments as regards antimicrobial resistance and the need to move it on. We...