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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: ...defamatory in relation to an identifiable person or entity, they will be directed to discontinue their remarks. It is imperative they comply with any such direction. Witnesses are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice that they should not criticise or make charges against any person or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable or otherwise...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: Of 2022. How long has Professor Kilcommins been with the university? I know he has not been in this particular role for the whole period.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Cormac Devlin: ...know who from the HEA wants to take this. From its perspective there is a litany, year after year, of different investigations for different reasons. Is there not a red flag here? Did it not go up a long time ago, and what is being done about it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

...Wall: I agree with the Deputy. If he gives me time, I will outline why we are where we are. After the 2021 PAC an issue about Dunnes came up which we did not know about. After that we spent a long period engaged with the university on its rules and regulations. There was the KPMG report that we were worried about. It was hard to get parts of the KPMG report.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: ...and much of the work around it but that person is not here today, so we will give that person the benefit of the doubt. On the last day, that person was not here because we were told they had a long-standing commitment and were unavoidably absent. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is not what the committee was informed. The committee was told he was unavoidably absent due to a long-standing commitment.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Professor Shane Kilcommins: It is exactly as the Cathaoirleach said. At the meeting that day, it was suggested that he had a long-standing commitment. I was surprised because I had been told differently. I came to speak on the Rhebogue transaction because he could not attend for the reasons he gave me. I was surprised by that comment. I followed up the next day and sent email...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: That is not what the president told us. When asked, the president said that he had a long-standing engagement and was not available. We took that in good faith. This is a statutory committee. My understanding is that was a blatant lie, if what Professor Kilcommins is saying is true.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Professor Shane Kilcommins: I want to clarify. I do not know whether the chief corporate officer had a long-standing engagement or not. All I can relay to the Deputy is that what I was told, in coming to the PAC, was the he could not attend because of an investigation into the transaction. I went on that basis. When this engagement was communicated to members at the PAC meeting last...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Professor Shane Kilcommins: It may still be their position that there was a long-standing commitment. That may be their position.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Verona Murphy: ...tells us that somebody was not present but it would appear that the reason given meant that the only hours he was unavailable were the hours that PAC was sitting. The advice was that there was a long-standing engagement that only pertained to the hours that PAC was sitting. Professor Kilcommins said there was an emergency executive meeting after the PAC, after he raised his concerns....

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: They were a long way off market value, as a cursory glance at the Internet would show. Professor Kilcommins's opening statement outlined the damage to the university's reputation, etc. Has it impacted on the reputation and fundraising of the university? Would Professor Kilcommins like to comment briefly on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Mr. John Kelly: -----that have had long association with UL have been in contact asking, for example, whether funding is being put towards the deficit in respect of the Rhebogue acquisition. Concerns like that have come across from very reputable companies that have engaged with UL for many years. Therefore, it has created much disquiet among those organisations that have networked with...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: University of Limerick (9 May 2024)

Brian Stanley: Do the witnesses expect it to have a long-term impact? Is it damage that can be repaired?

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