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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Mr. Paschal Hayes: There is nothing wrong with landings coming through the North. We are quite happy to see landings coming through the North. Such landings are weighed on landing in Northern Ireland and that then is the weight that must be used for everything from then on, including sales notes, transport documentation, etc. There is nothing wrong with those landings.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Mr. Paschal Hayes: That is correct, and of course there will be whitefish landings at Killybegs. We should keep in mind that, throughout the period, Killybegs kept going and there were always many landings into the harbour. There are 20,000 landings from large vessels in the country every year, and if smaller vessels are counted, there are 40,000 landings. There are still landings of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Mr. Paschal Hayes: As I said in my opening statement, the default position on fish landing is that the fish are weighed at the point of landing. Ireland has some unique aspects, particularly in respect of the way bulk pelagic fish are landed, but I will let my colleague, Mr. O'Mahony, deal with the general landing conditions, the position on the regulation and the difference in Ireland.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

...the areas under the authority’s mandate in order to support safe, authentic and sustainable seafood. I am joined by my colleagues, Dr. O’Mahony and Ms Loughnane. By way of introduction, Ireland’s seafood economy was worth an estimated €1.26 billion in 2021, having experienced growth in GDP of 15.3% when compared with 2020, with Irish people consuming an...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Okay. If there have been 100 landings since the start of the year, how does the SFPA satisfy itself that all the landings have been weighed in the port in which it was landed originally?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Thomas Pringle: Grand. On the 5% of bulk pelagic landings or 7.5% of fish quantity that is required to be weighed - I presume it is 5% of landings - if that 5% has been reached, is that the end of SFPA inspections? Does it weigh 10%, 20% or 30% of landings?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Deputy Pearse Doherty asked about the approach taken to landings in the North. There is no control plan with the North of Ireland or Great Britain but very substantial numbers of landings have come through the North over the years. My understanding is that since 1983, there have been around 5,000 per annum. The SFPA has been in existence since 2006. How many licences for permits for...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Mr. Miche?l O'Mahony: The answer is "No". The regulation is worded such that 5% of landings, plural, means we have to conduct these types of controls on all of some of the landings. It is not sufficient to do it on some of all the landings. The control panel refers directly to inspections according to Article 107 being done in this way. Because it pivots back to Article 107, the answer...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

.... I might approach the Deputy's question in two ways, namely, in the context of both the numerical concept and the practicality thereof. Numerically, we have a requirement to weigh 5% of 600 landings in a certain way, and that 5% figure is what is in contention here. We genuinely accept that there is a significant challenge in meeting the weighing accuracy and the quality and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Mr. Paschal Hayes: I again stress that the control plan stays in place for all the other landings. The ridiculous situation that pertained in Union Hall last summer where fish had to be weighed on the quayside and then brought 500 m to the factory up the road will not happen this year because the control plan stays in place. Regarding the dire situation, I will point out that Killybegs...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Mr. Miche?l O'Mahony: They should be weighed where they land. If they are landed outside of the jurisdiction then they should be weighed there.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Mr. Miche?l O'Mahony: This relates to an audit of control of pelagic landings in 2018. Various concerns arose from that. As we highlighted in the statement, the overall concern was that our controls were not sufficiently managing the risks of under-declaration in those pelagic landings.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Mr. Miche?l O'Mahony: Sure. I might first speak to the final part of the question, which, as I understand it, related to whether we could deal with some of all the landings rather than with all of some of the landings.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Seán Sherlock: Mr. Hayes referred to a meeting that took place on 4 February. Was the issue of notices to weigh on landing discussed at that meeting? If it was discussed, was an agreement reached in regard to the terms of the notices to weigh on landing? Was that agreed at that meeting on 4 February? This is a yes-no question. We do not need a long context.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Mr. Paschal Hayes: On the pier-side weighing device, we have got to distinguish between the 19 landings out of 20 and the one landing out of 20. The obligation is to control and supervise one landing out of 20 to enable the other 19 to be brought to the factories and weighed or weighed on the pier-side weighing device, which is owned by the industry. Therefore, there is an option to weigh...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Mr. Paschal Hayes: This is about sustainability of fish stocks at the end of the day. It is about making sure that there is an accurate account of the fish that are being killed and landed. We have many fish stocks off the coast of Ireland. Each of those stocks is assessed by scientists and a calculation is done to figure out how much of that stock can safely be taken out and landed -----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Pearse Doherty: Okay. On the procedure, the officials have mentioned that it is common for fish to be landed in a jurisdiction and then to be purchased by operators. Basically, the SFPA has intruded in another jurisdiction. Will the witnesses convince the committee that what the SFPA has done is not vindictive as a result of the controversy that is going on in Killybegs, which is very serious? I respect...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

.... Again, I thank Deputy Mac Lochlainn for referring to the broad array of controls we have in place. In effect, 5% is still just 5%. There is no point on having an entire focus on 5% of landings. If 19 or 20 landings are going up the road to be weighed, we need to be there also.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Pearse Doherty: ...I agree 100% and the fishermen that I speak to also agree because the preservation and management of those fish stocks is their livelihood. The question I asked is in relation to procedures around landing in Derry. What are the procedures for notification? How has the SFPA identified whether weighing has taken place or not? What are the procedures that alert the SFPA to decide to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Weighing of Fisheries Products: Discussion (18 May 2022)

Mr. Miche?l O'Mahony: Since the coming into effect of the control plan in 2012, we have had several cases of the opposite, with operators landing at a port in Ireland, including Dunmore East and Killybegs, and they were going to a Northern Ireland processing facility. They were not minded to be weighing in Ireland but we made it very clear they need to weigh in Ireland. We enforced...