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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: My point is very simple. If Mr. McGee had his time again, does he feel he would have acted differently? Six, seven and eight years passed and nothing happened. Mr. McGee knew what was going on here. He knew the structures that were in place. He wrote the report. He was working in an organisation where the structures around accountancy procedures and management of funds simply did not...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. McGee not feel it was an organisation within an organisation? Essentially, Mr. McGee did a report, which is a very good report. He pushed it up the line to Mr. Culhane and nothing transpired for years. Did he not feel, given his role and under the legislation that he should do something? Mr. McGee is well aware of all the issues because there is huge similarity between his report...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...the committee he regards Mr. McGee as a good accountant and that he did his work well. The report he did is a good report and we all accept that. Nine years have passed since. Did Mr. McGee not feel obliged in the interim, before this came to the internal auditor in March 2016, that under a Civil Service code of ethics, for want of a better phrase, to inform the internal auditor, the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: I know but the Department has told us that it was informed in September. Did Mr. Dunne not feel, once he became aware of these issues in early July, that the Department should have been informed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: Did Mr. Ó Cualáin feel the Commissioner should make a disclosure under section 41?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ..., the witness was at the meeting of the audit committee and he was aware of Mr. McGee's report - we call it that - and he was aware of what Mr. Barrett had brought to his attention, yet he did not feel it necessary to go into detail at that meeting. The Fennelly interim report has been produced but it is March, six months later, before the internal auditor is brought in.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...internal auditor still were not told subsequent to that. Given what we found out through Fennelly, its interim report and its recommendations on effective communication, why did Mr. Cyril Dunne feel it was not necessary to inform the internal auditor or go through the external audit committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...was informed of the issues relating to the Garda training college because it was "CCed" on the request for legal advice. When Mr. Dunne found out about the issues through Mr. Barrett, did he not feel an obligation not alone to tell the internal auditor and the external auditor, and we have been down that road, but to ensure the Department was informed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed) (14 Jun 2017)

Alan Kelly: ...a comprehensive amount of areas and topics which had to be covered as part of the meeting. That would suggest it had to be a pretty comprehensive meeting if it was going through all of that. Mr. Cyril Dunne feels it was half an hour to an hour. The Commissioner - we will check the record - says it was a very brief meeting. I understand minutes from memory. Mr. John Barrett said it was...