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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on the Social Welfare System: Discussion (24 Apr 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: ...in the case of the non-contributory pension. A person could earn €200 if they are employed and it is not means tested, but €30 over that is means tested 100% if it is self-employment such as farming or small fishing, which is very common in my constituency. In principle, should employed and self-employed income be treated exactly the same, once the net income has been...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on the Social Welfare System: Discussion (24 Apr 2024)

...the third issue of how capital should be treated, capital is a word economists use and economists do not really understand that not all capital is equal. A family home or a 15-acre family farm which has no income but has huge significance in people's lives and identity and €40,000 worth of Kerry Co-op shares are very different things. In different ways across our system, we have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on the Social Welfare System: Discussion (24 Apr 2024)

...There are questions around how often income disregards are measured. We do it week by week, but a great deal of self-employed income is not earned week to week or even month to month, especially in farming. How to smooth out income disregards over time could be examined. The Deputy’s question on the expectation to work was a good one. It will probably become more salient if we...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on the Social Welfare System: Discussion (24 Apr 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: Most cases I come across with so-called dependent adults are small farmers and fishermen. They are not inactive but they are getting a means-tested payment to supplement their farming because the farming in the west of Ireland is poor. There are lots of small farmers all over the country but they predominate in a line from Donegal to Kerry. In those cases, many of the spouses or partners...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on the Social Welfare System: Discussion (24 Apr 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: ...pension. It applies to the State contributory pension but I think we can even look at a more radical solution there. It is a slightly different issue. What I am talking about is that in cases of farm assist, jobseeker's allowance and disability, etc., you would ease it quite dramatically on the dependent adult to make it much more economically viable to go and take up work.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on the Social Welfare System: Discussion (24 Apr 2024)

Denis Naughten: We have exposed that academics are not experts in sheep farming.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on the Social Welfare System: Discussion (24 Apr 2024)

Denis Naughten: I do not know which of the academics is an expert on sheep farming but it raises a broader point, which I raised here last week. I gave an example of a sheep farmer who came in to me, and we were doing the means test. They were knocked off a scheme wrongly because the Department of Social Protection inspector did not understand sheep farming. The difficulty is that more people are moving...