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Seanad: Public Service Pay Bill 2020: Second Stage (14 Jun 2021)

Gerry Horkan: ...we need to tax people. Of course multinationals need to pay their way, but if they funnel revenue through Ireland with no property in Ireland and no revenue being generated here, it may not be us they need to pay. I refer to the famous Apple row, in which there was not necessarily any reason we should collect the money. I am certainly in favour of the idea that stateless companies and...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (28 Nov 2019)

Gerry Horkan: ...and plugging holes in health in particular with this money. It may only be temporary. I hope it is not, but the IFAC is outlining concerns which I share. Half our corporation tax is coming from ten companies, most likely Apple, Microsoft, Google, Oracle and some of the pharmaceutical companies. For reasons of taxpayer privacy we do not know who they are but we can guess. The IFAC is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Business of Joint Committee
Matters Relating to the Banking Sector: Permanent TSB
(9 Apr 2019)

Gerry Horkan: We get surveys of who is ahead in the supermarket wars where it is claimed that Dunnes Stores has this and Aldi has that. I am not comparing apples with apples, but where is PTSB positioned among the five main banks in terms of its size? The five main banks probably comprise 100% of the retail market. What percentage of space does PTSB occupy? PTSB is larger in some areas than others....

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (6 Mar 2019)

Gerry Horkan: ...are then bound by that, which is also correct. The process of applying and appealing, however, needs to be the subject of a debate. I am not just referring to critical infrastructure, such as the Apple data centre in Athenry, but on how we build, or do not build, generally. We have a crisis in residential supply in our major cities and throughout the country. We need to get building...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: World Development Report 2019: Discussion (25 Sep 2018)

Gerry Horkan: ...and they are nearly all in the technology sector with possibly a few in the pharmaceutical sector. It is suggested, and the Revenue Commissioners have not confirmed this, that those companies are Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, PayPal, Google and some IT companies or pharma and medical device companies. Many of those jobs did not exist 20 years ago and many of them will not exist in 20 years...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: World Development Report 2019: Discussion (25 Sep 2018)

Gerry Horkan: ...€8 billion of corporate, excise and carbon taxes and other consumption taxes. At the moment, we are getting these because we are adding the value and having 8,000 or 10,000 people working in Apple, over 2,000 in Microsoft and many in Intel. People are adding value and creating products. We are a small, export economy. That model would be very difficult for us. I certainly...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Public Private Partnerships - Liquidation of the Carillion Group: National Development Finance Agency and the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (26 Jul 2018)

Gerry Horkan: ...similar to the Home Bond model used in construction in the past. There must be other ways of doing this, which do not leave the smallest, most vulnerable businesses at a loss. It is all very well for Apple and Google to lose €250,000 because large companies would notice it. Small companies have lost significant amounts of money. The process needs to be examined. Is it the...

Seanad: Order of Business (13 Jun 2018)

Gerry Horkan: ...the fact that most of the intellectual property was transferred here because most intellectual property is being generated here and is being used here. Microsoft has more than 2,000 staff here. Apple has in excess of 7,000 staff in the Leader's area in Cork. Large companies such as eBay, Facebook, PayPal and Uber are all in Ireland. I will put on the record some of what Ireland has done...

Seanad: Order of Business (13 Jun 2018)

Gerry Horkan: ...recent months, I was at the opening of the new €119 million Microsoft building in Ireland. The company has more than 2,000 staff of many nationalities. It has 71 nationalities working there. Apple has huge numbers of people working here. So have Google, Facebook and many other companies. Nine of the top ten ICT companies in the world are in Ireland. The reason we have...

Seanad: Order of Business (22 May 2018)

Gerry Horkan: ...fronts but the planning process is antiquated and is not delivering for those who make planning applications or those who have issues with those who apply. Recently, other Members have raised the Apple issue in Athenry, County Galway, and how we build critical infrastructure. We must also accommodate the housing needs of everybody in the State and those who feel under siege in their...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Tracker Mortgages: Bank of Ireland (30 Jan 2018)

Gerry Horkan: ...hub. I am more than happy with the service and there are other branches relatively close by but there are people who find bank transactions a bit more difficult. In terms of mobile technology, Apple Pay and all these kinds of things, people have asked me whether such technology will be introduced. I am sure there is more technology on the way. Younger people want to embrace new...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base: Discussion (25 Jan 2018)

Gerry Horkan: ...a reasoned opinion, . Approximately 80% of our corporation tax base relates to foreign multinationals, with about 40% of the total coming from the top ten multinationals. Companies such as Apple and so on provide very significant employment in this country and generate wealth that is exported around the world and not just within the EU. We need to see a country-by-country impact...

Seanad Committee on the Withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union: Engagement on the Future of the European Union (7 Jun 2017)

Gerry Horkan: ...lies that were put out by UKIP and others during the Brexit campaign. All the polls and barometers show that Ireland is pro-EU as a concept. In the context of the banking crisis and things like the Apple judgment and the common consolidated corporate tax base, CCCTB, Britain was an ally to Ireland on CCCTB but will not be part of the discussions in the longer term. During his election...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: EU State Aid Rules - Investigation into Preferential Tax Rulings: Minister for Finance and Office of the Revenue Commissioners (2 Feb 2017)

Gerry Horkan: I wish to make a couple of points. To follow on from Senator Burke's question on selectivity, the Commissioner referred to how Apple did not pay the corporation tax rate of 12.5% and that the Commission was basing its case on this and the idea that the tax ruling was selective. The Commission's argument is that Apple got a special deal. According to the Commissioner, the somewhat...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: EU State Aid Rules - Investigation into Preferential Tax Rulings: Minister for Finance and Office of the Revenue Commissioners (2 Feb 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Apple went into the US Senate and said what it said. How does Revenue reconcile what Apple said with its own view or is it possible to reconcile the two?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: EU State Aid Rules - Investigation into Preferential Tax Rulings: Minister for Finance and Office of the Revenue Commissioners (2 Feb 2017)

Gerry Horkan: On the question of the methodology, the European Commission said that it could not find the basis on which the profits were calculated. The suggestion was made that the formula suited Apple and the Irish system acquiesced in and tolerated that. What is Mr. Cody's response to that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: EU State Aid Rules - Investigation into Preferential Tax Rulings: European Commissioner for Competition (31 Jan 2017)

Gerry Horkan: ...say that this particular ruling is not so much about the Irish tax system and the Irish tax code but was instigated by the US Senate hearing and is specifically about investigating and looking at Apple? Is this really all about Apple and not about the Irish tax system or rate and how we attract and retain foreign multinational companies?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: EU State Aid Rules - Investigation into Preferential Tax Rulings: European Commissioner for Competition (31 Jan 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Can I conclude from Ms Vestager's response that this is not a question of the tax code but of Apple? The ruling was on Apple, the Commissioner was examining Apple. In respect of the selectivity argument that Apple got a better deal than anybody or everybody else, how many other corporations or entities were examined? Ms Vestager referred to 14 and there are references in the report to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: EU State Aid Rules - Investigation into Preferential Tax Rulings: European Commissioner for Competition (31 Jan 2017)

Gerry Horkan: Only 19 corporations were investigated to compare with Apple.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: EU State Aid Rules - Investigation into Preferential Tax Rulings: European Commissioner for Competition (31 Jan 2017)

Gerry Horkan: There are issues with Apple. Is it fair to say that the Commissioner does not have issues with the treatment of the other 19 companies?

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