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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Catherine Murphy: ...it, as has been said. The ones who are not happy are the ones the Department needs to be talking to. BT was quite forthright in its comments. It said it was seeking fair competition and that Enet should be fully compliant with the rules of state aid approval. It questioned whether state aid approval allows Enet to sell to itself since it is stated specifically that Enet cannot act as...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Mr. Mark Griffin: In fact, the important thing to bear in mind is that, as I understand it, IIF bought the Enet business in its entirety. Enet does a number of things but the only part we were interested in was its role in the management of the metropolitan area networks.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Enet is now a partner as opposed to a main consortium. Was a second pre-qualification test required given that Enet was leading it before?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Enet is wholesale. Is it appropriate that Enet should have a retail subsidiary called AirSpeed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

David Cullinane: I am talking reality. My final question is on Enet. Mr. Griffin spoke earlier about the Irish Infrastructure Fund, IIF, having a share in Enet. Does it own it completely or what is the composition?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. Did Enet apply pressure in 2017? The contract was extended in March 2017, it was bought by the Irish Infrastructure Fund in July 2017 and due diligence was being done. Obviously Granaghan McCourt would have been aware that due diligence was being done because the information would be needed to do that. Was pressure put on the Department? The first contract did not expire until 2019...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Catherine Murphy: They were extended in March. In July the Irish Infrastructure Fund bought 78% of Enet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Mr. Mark Griffin: We did not give the contract extension to anybody other than Enet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Mr. Mark Griffin: The Deputy is making the point that subsequent to the extension Enet was sold to a different entity.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Catherine Murphy: On regulatory oversight, the name "MSE liaison committee" appeared in the Peter Smith report. Is it the de factoregulatory oversight group or what role does it play? Does Enet have any role to play with that body?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Mr. Mark Griffin: A liaison committee is in place and meets on a quarterly basis. As I understand it, it involves the Department, Enet-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Catherine Murphy: Enet is involved.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Catherine Murphy: It could not be if Enet was regulating itself.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Mr. Mark Griffin: The purpose of the committee meetings is to determine whether Enet is compliant with the requirements of the project key performance indicators and so on. The committee also involves a chief executive officer from the local authorities.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Mr. Mark Griffin: Enet, I presume, can have as many subsidiaries as it wants. It is a commercial company. The important thing is that if it is selling services it is selling services on an equal-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Bobby Aylward: Is Mr. Griffin happy with enet and that the structure of the consortium is above board? We hear different rumours from America. I said rumour, not facts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I want to come back and clarify a number of things from this morning. Will Mr. Griffin reconfirm that Enet never led the current bid for the national broadband plan?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Catherine Murphy: I understand that but it should still be possible to get a comparator. The State does not have a stake in Enet. It is the Irish Infrastructure Fund, IIF, that has the stake.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

Catherine Murphy: The tendering process for the national broadband plan is under way. It started out being Enet which is now a partner and Granahan McCourt is the main entity. Subcontractors are also included as part of the consortium. Every time that changes, does it have to go through pre-qualification test?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Department of Communications, Climate Action and Environment
Chapter 8 - Measures relating to Cyber Security
Chapter 9 - Energy Efficiency National Fund (6 Dec 2018)

...for the Department and for the users of the service. That was the only consideration for us in financial terms, market terms, service delivery and so forth. What happened in the acquisition of Enet happened utterly independently of the Department.