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Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: On a point of order, some of us are not part of a political grouping at the moment, and there does seem to be apartheid from the Chair regarding some of us.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: Gabh mo leithscéal, I am entitled to make a point of order-----

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: This is not the first time-----

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: Some of us have been here since the beginning of the Order of Business to facilitate a quorum, and have been here since half past the hour, and we were not able to get in. I do not know how the system is operated. I am not having a row with the Cathaoirleach, but there is apartheid against some of us in respect of the operation of procedure, which is grossly unfair.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Mark Daly: For the benefit of Senator Buttimer, his name has been submitted by the Fine Gael Whip and he is fifth on the list. I have put him in the order that I received the request. Other Senators were put in ahead of Senator Buttimer and have arrived in late. I ask Senators to arrive at the start of the Order of Business if they are in line to speak, but I will circulate the email that I received...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Mark Daly: Somebody submitted it. Senator Buttimer might wish to take the issue up with the Fine Gael Party. There is no apartheid going on in this House-----

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: I have been here since 10.30 a.m. and-----

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Mark Daly: I ask Senator Buttimer-----

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: -----and I raised my hand at 10.30 a.m. to speak. I am not having a row with the Cathaoirleach, but there needs to be an element of fairness in the allocation of speaking time. I will raise the issue again when I get to speak. I would like to make the point that it is not personal.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: Well I have been here since 10.30 a.m.-----

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: I withdraw the remark.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Mark Daly: I will circulate the email that I received from the Fine Gael Whip, and Senator Buttimer is fifth on the list. That is the system that we have operated because of Covid-19, and I know that the old system was different, whereby Members would come in, raise their hands and be taken in that order. That is not the system we are currently operating because of Covid-19. I have made that clear,...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: On a point of order, that does not apply. That does not apply to all the ways we operate in this House. On the issue of list to which the Cathaoirleach is referring regarding the Order of Business and other debates, whether they concern legislation, or statements, there is no uniformity of application from the Cathaoirleach regarding the names that are submitted. That is the point that I...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Mark Daly: I hear what Senator Buttimer is saying.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: Okay.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: I am not referring just to the Order of Business, a Chathaoirligh. It is frustrating and annoying to many of us who are trying our best to make contributions to business and statements of the House, that we cannot get in.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Mark Daly: If I could just make this point to Senator Buttimer, his name is on the list.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: I appreciate that.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: I was not referring-----

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (24 Nov 2020)

Jerry Buttimer: A Chathaoirligh-----

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