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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

...we know, Irish agriculture plays a significant role in the Irish economy. In particular, the rural economy has the potential to grow if those factors that enable growth in the fabric of rural Ireland are available. It is essential that as many farmers as possible can stay within rural Ireland. Basically, a strong agriculture sector is important, not only for rural Ireland but also for...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

...deputy president. I welcome the invitation to address the committee today. The farm assist scheme plays a crucial role in supporting the livelihoods and well-being of low-income farmers in Ireland. It helps to ensure all farmers have the opportunity to participate in and benefit from agricultural activities, contributing to the sustainable rural development and well-being of rural...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

...means test and how it relates to participants in the scheme and those who may have considered joining. With high participation levels in hill areas and in counties where there is a significant level of land designations, we need to recognise the impact these designations are having on agricultural output. For farmers operating on designated lands, that is, special areas of conservation...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

...impact of means testing on farm assist and other crucial social welfare schemes. Our submission seeks to shed light on the unique challenges faced by farmers in rural communities throughout Ireland, highlighting the necessity for fair and equitable access to support systems. Farmers are the backbone of Ireland's agricultural sector, contributing tirelessly to their families and rural...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire: ...contributions, whether there is an issue with awareness, and typically how much a farmer can expect from the environmental schemes. I am sure it varies depending on the type of farming and the type of land. Typically what are we speaking about in terms of the amount of money that will be involved next year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

...guess. On the ecoscheme we are speaking about €60 to €70 per hectare. For a 30 ha farm this is approximately €2,000. We have always said, of course, and we emphasise it, that farmers on designated lands, where options have been limited because of EU law as applied here, are being left behind. This has to be accommodated somewhere. I do not know whether it is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

.... I will go back to SAC payments. Previously everyone got so much money for a SAC for five years. All of sudden it had no value. I have visited farmers in various parts of the country where SAC land was flooded. It cannot be farmed and nothing can be done with it. This land has no value. The scheme has a short lifespan whereas there should be continuous payments if the land is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Mr. Tadhg Buckley: One thing to note is that the direct payments that come into Ireland come in in two pillars. There are: Pillar 1 and Pillar 2. Pillar 2 is based on the principle of cost-incurred income forgone. One gets that payment on the basis of either one incurs a cost or one foregoes income. At present, one can deduct expenses under the assessment but one cannot account for...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Éamon Ó Cuív: ...I say that because I have farmers on Inis Meáin and Inis Oírr. Inis Oírr has the smallest farms, with farms of fewer than 5 ha. Those farms are in the highest nature bracket because, as everyone will know, the land there, like that found in the Burren, is limestone pavement and the farmers farm in a very traditional manner with very little mechanisation. As the farms are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

...;1.5 million but no cash, as in no income. The asset assessment for farming in particular, is problematic because farmers are often asset rich but cash poor. Furthermore, some farmers on designated land have had their balance sheets decimated because of designation, but that is another issue which others might want to discuss in their contributions. The asset test is-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Mr. Tadhg Buckley: When the Department is doing the means test, it values the land-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

...It has to be realistic in today's market. Perhaps if they get up to €50,000 or 50% of it because €20,000 is not relevant in today's world. It is not even the minimum wage. Furthermore, as was said, the land should not be classed as assessable. None of the assets we have are for sale. They are all a part of our machinery for work. Even under the valuation at 15%, price...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Róisín Garvey: Farmers are losing land to flooding because of soil deposition in rivers as well. This is all linked in. Means testing is very important.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Róisín Garvey: Is there a precedent for means testing on net income in other sectors in Ireland? I asked that in my original speech. Do witnesses need help to promote farm assist? Do they need help with the bureaucracy of it? What are the witnesses' asks? Should we ask for more Teagasc staff to help people? I know bureaucracy is ruining everything in every sector. I know that farmers traditionally...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Denis Naughten: ...income loss on those farms was interesting. We should not be considering two farms side by side with the exact same type of farming practice as generating the same income if one of them is on designated lands. Deputy Ó Cuív made the case very well with regard to what is happening on Inis Oírr, where it is not worth their while to go into some of these environmental...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: Impact of Means Testing on Farm Assist and Other Social Welfare Schemes: Discussion (17 Apr 2024)

Róisín Garvey: It is very interesting to listen to all the witnesses individually. I welcome their input. I live on a farm and all my neighbours are farmers. I am deeply concerned about farming in Ireland, especially for small farmers. My neighbours are worried about it. It is not as though it was going great guns anyway and now we have the whole mess-up with climate change and the ridiculously...