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Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed)

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Steven Matthews: Good afternoon, everybody. You are very welcome back to the Select Committee on Housing, Local Government and Heritage, where we continue Committee Stage of the Planning and Development Bill 2023. I welcome the Minister, Deputy Darragh O'Brien, to the committee to continue our deliberations on this important legislation. I just want to comment that yesterday evening, we lost a full hour...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Amendments Nos. 793 and 794 not moved.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I move amendment No. 795: In page 311, line 37, to delete “permission for retention” and substitute “retention permission”.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: .... The first is about section 169(2). It is a broad set of regulatory provisions. Is that just a crossover from the existing legislation or is there anything new there? With respect to 169(2)(i) and (ii), it is interesting that it talks about providing for the waiving or reduction of a fee to which subparagraph (i) refers-----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Eoin Ó Broin: I presume that could be used in the context of waivers to ensure people on lower incomes, for example, would be able to participate and there would not be a bar. Is it for some other kind of waiver? Will the Minister just explain it?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: ...providers in contact with us about difficulties. I refer to some instances in this regard, but not in all because many of them are filled. As the Deputy will know, they are not all left empty and nothing like it. There can be a difficulty with viability for some because of their size. It is better to have a balance, then, between the smaller-run preschool facilities versus the much...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Cian O'Callaghan: Yes, and I will come in quickly too.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: There are current waivers for charities, for argument's sake. I refer as well to where there are elected members and where their observations, whether I agree with them or not, are made. The Deputy will be aware of this aspect. Some local authorities have very strict criteria around what can be included in an observation in respect of where a fee would be waived. For argument's sake, some...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Cian O'Callaghan: How long might it take and when might it be concluded?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: We will have to engage with the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth as well because some of this crosses over to its area of responsibility as well. Certainly, however, in relation to the provision of new childcare facilities in new developments, in my view there can be issues in this regard, especially around the ratio. We would, though, have to do this in a...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Cian O'Callaghan: We can argue whether this is a good or bad thing. People have different views and there are different views in the sector and this being connected with regulation outside of planning. To ask a final question on this aspect, the Minister referred to the situation in the UK. Is it the case that childcare facilities are fully fitted out in the UK?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I was only mentioning that by way of example. It is not the case in all of Britain, but the local authorities in England, for example, have a much greater input there and areas of responsibility in that regard. Just by way of an example, I was saying that in England when a childcare facility is provided as part of a housing development, the shell or the core of the facility is actually...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Cian O'Callaghan: Okay, so the space is provided and complies with the guidelines, but there is so much work to be done thereafter that this is an additional barrier for someone who might wish to open a childcare facility.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: ...until the end. Okay, an operator is not going to go in until the estate is full, but where additional costs that I have seen have been incurred, these have been based on the estate being built out and then the original contractor leaves. Another contractor then has to come back in to put in the water and electricity connections and similar related work. I think there are better...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: ...changed a lot since 2001. I would contend that much of what has changed has been for the better, but there are still issues that need to be addressed. It is worth looking at this subject again, and I am certainly going to do this from a planning perspective.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Steven Matthews: I thank the Minister and the members.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I move amendment No. 796: In page 312, between lines 10 and 11, to insert the following: “Continued application of section 45 of Act of 2000 for certain purposes 171.Notwithstanding section 6— (a) section 45 of the Act of 2000 shall continue to apply and have effect— (i) in relation to a request made under paragraph (c) of subsection (1) of the said...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Steven Matthews: Amendments Nos. 797 to 812, inclusive, are related and will be discussed together.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (17 Apr 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I move amendment No. 797: In page 32, between lines 13 and 14, to insert the following: “Interpretation 171. (1) In this Act— “Act of 2019” means the Aircraft Noise (Dublin Airport) Regulation Act 2019; “Aircraft Noise Regulation” means Regulation (EU) No. 598/2014 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 16 April 2014 on the...