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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: I ask the Deputy to give Mr. Cummins an opportunity to reply.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: That would be helpful.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: The point is to be clarified.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: A number of members wish to ask supplementary questions. I ask Deputy Brady to keep his question short. I will try to bring Deputy Smith in later.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: No, the Deputy made a very specific point and he should give Mr. Cummins an opportunity to respond.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: Deputy, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: Senator, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: Senator Higgins has made her point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: That is the first time that point has been made, but it occurred to me during the discussion that it is a point worth commenting on. It seems to me that staff make more in tips in venues that do not have service charges. The witnesses will probably agree with me. From the point of view of clarity, would it not be better if restaurants included the service charge in the unit price of the dish?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: Mr. Cummins might bear with me for one moment. This would not mean telling a restaurant to charge €20 or €40 for a steak. This would mean requiring a charging structure, which is a little different. I am only making the point as a suggestion. The issue of service charges has caused considerable concern. Not every establishment applies them. Would it be better if the charge...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: I take it that Mr. Fenn has the same view as Mr. Cummins on that point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: Please allow Mr. Fenn to continue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: We are going to bring this session to a conclusion. There are three sets of additional witnesses waiting. I thank Mr. Lennon, Mr. Fenn, Mr. Cummins and Ms Sweetman for attending, for their opening statements and for the frank discussion they have had with committee members. I propose to suspend for a short time to allow the next set of witnesses to take their seats. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: From the Low Pay Commission, I welcome Dr. Donal de Buitléir, chairman, and Mr. John O'Toole, secretary. From Unite the Union, I welcome Mr. Richie Browne, regional co-ordinating officer, and Ms Rhona McCord, strategic research, community development and communications support. I welcome Mr. Clement Shevlin, SIPTU organiser connected with the ONE Galway initiative. He is accompanied...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: I thank Mr. Browne. I invite Mr. Shevlin to make his opening statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: I thank Mr. Shevlin. I will allow colleagues to put their questions individually and the witnesses might respond to them. We will try to go through them quickly. I ask colleagues to be direct and specific.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: Perhaps the union representatives will address that specific point. The previous witnesses were of the view, which they expressed quite directly, that the service charge was part of the revenue stream to the business and tips and gratuities were to be dealt with differently. That sums up the general argument. I not want to have to repeat the points so if you have a view on it, you should...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: Does Mr. Shevlin or Dr. Curran wish to comment on the same issue?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: I ask Dr. de Buitléir and Deputy Smith to try to bring the discussion back to the Bill. This is pre-legislative scrutiny.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection: General Scheme of the Payment of Wages (Amendment) Bill 2019: Discussion (10 Oct 2019)

John Curran: I know what point the Deputy is making.

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