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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: The bottom line is that Mr. Kelly, who was acting in his client's interests, in order to ensure that this €75,000 would be made for the whole period of the five-year term-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: No, it is not by Renault. You explicitly asked RTÉ-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Why then did you require-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: That is okay.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Can I stop Mr. Kelly there? He has been mentioning the new sponsor opportunity all day long.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: We were in the middle of a pandemic so Fluffy Pillows were-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Fluffy Pillows etc. were not exactly queueing up in the middle of a pandemic to fork out €75,000 per annum for whatever services might be offered. The bottom line is that Mr. Kelly was aware, entering into a really difficult period for the country and for business financially, that there was a possibility that no sponsor might exist for the remaining years of the contract, and he...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: But-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: No one is disagreeing with that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Why did Mr. Kelly insist that RTÉ put in an underwriting aspect to the contract?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: What if there were no sponsors?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Regarding any agreement that Mr. Kelly had with RTÉ, in the account that he gave to the auditors, he said that if “the Commercial Brand did not pay the €75,000 to the Talent” - there was no mention of any services being rendered or additional services being provided - “that RTÉ would be obliged to step in and pay the Talent this sum.” That is the...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Or RTÉ would pay it in the event of there being no sponsor.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: RTÉ did end up paying it - that is the whole point.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Mr. Kelly requested it. He specifically requested it.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: I am going to finish on this point. We have had three weeks of this and six hours of questioning today. I appreciate that both witnesses came in here to try to restore, and I think it is exceptionally important that we should collectively try to restore, the reputation of our national broadcaster and one of its most gifted broadcasters.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: Six hours later, in my opinion, we are no further on. I genuinely mean that, with my hand on my heart, in terms of what we are trying to set out to do here. Regarding the whole issue of the arrangement that was put in place with RTÉ, the deliberate falsifying of an invoice to channel money deceitfully from RTÉ through Astus back to Mr. Tubridy - all of that - those questions are...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (11 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: No, it is not.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (5 Jul 2023)

Ciarán Cannon: I thank everyone for joining us again this week. I know how difficult this has been for everyone on a personal level. RTÉ's mission statement describes an ambition to achieve what is described as "one RTÉ", one collaborative team working in the same direction to serve the needs of the public in regard to public service broadcasting. There is not one RTÉ. There are two...

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