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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Okay, so they arrived on Sunday. Most transatlantic flights come in during the early afternoon.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Okay, so they came at the weekend and they were gone by Wednesday. I presume they flew out on Wednesday?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: They were here for about 72 hours and they were accompanied by CHI.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Yes. During all of their visits and inspections, they were accompanied by somebody from CHI. Was it Dr. Goldman?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Okay, so Dr. Goldman accompanied them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Did he accompany them to a meeting with the families, who gave a PowerPoint presentations on five of the case studies that were included in the review?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Which member of CHI attended that presentation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Did Sharon Ryan attend that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Okay, so is that the witnesses' understanding of an independent review? A group of people who come for 72 hours at CHI's invitation and are accompanied by people from CHI at all times? To me, it sounds like Professor Damian McCormack and Mr. Connor Green came in here and blew the whistle about their concerns, and then the witnesses invited the Boston group out and they did not cover many of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: I have not asked Dr. Goldman a question about them. As a layperson, let me give some context and then I will ask a question. My son had spinal surgery in Temple Street hospital in 2018. He was 18 years old. He should have had that surgery when he was around 12 but he did not because it is Ireland and he was on an extremely long waiting list. His curvature was so pronounced that it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Do you still maintain that the Boston group was an independent group, that it was family-centred and an independent investigation or was the group accompanied at all times by senior people from CHI?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: It is still happening to hundreds of other families, is it not? Sorry does not really cut the mustard. Dr. Goldman knows what happened to me; great. He knows what is happening to hundreds of other families. Has Dr. Goldman written a paper on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Has he reported that to his professional organisation? Has he sounded the alarm? Has he raised a concern about it? Yes or no? No, he has not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: It is a simple yes or no. Has he raised a concern with his professional association or the international medical community about what is happening in Temple Street in Ireland?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: The Cathaoirleach keeps interrupting. Will Dr. Goldman answer the question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Has Dr. Goldman raised the concern?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: Is what Dr. Goldman sees here consistent with what happens in Great Ormond Street or in any other jurisdiction in the EU? We are outliers and you have not raised a concern.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: I thank Ms Hardiman. Who did you escalate it to? Who did you raise those concerns with?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: It is escalated to the HSE, so it is internal.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Spinal Surgery Issues at Children's University Hospital Temple Street: Children's Health Ireland (28 Sep 2023)

Tom Clonan: You knew from your time in Great Ormond Street that Temple Street was out of step with international practice.

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