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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I was going to bring it back to that point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: There are two separate issues which are of equal importance. The point I was trying to address, or hoping we would address, was the extended lead time of ten-plus years for public housing, either regeneration of existing stock or new-build, to be approved by a combination of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the Department with responsibility for housing, local government...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: If we put this under the category of the Minister, it will be lost.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I was hoping we would address the lead time issue which is unsupportable.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I am happy for us to deal with the lead time issue and include in that discussion what is being funded. Are the Departments involved just approving the funding for housing or, as Senator Moynihan has mentioned and the rest of us agree with her point, are they also approving the funding of social infrastructure, including community centres and crèches, as part of the approval process? If...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I thank the members.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Any public housing development.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Both the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and the housing Department. Let us start with that pair and between them we should be able to figure things out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I see that there are a lot of them around this table. It is not that I do not want to bring anybody else in but this should not be a case of us recreating the wheel. This is a known problem, which we all recognise. This is something that we want to tackle in a pragmatic way. I do not want to talk about it for four years. I would like us to do something to improve the situation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I am happy for the examination of modular homes as an energy-efficient, affordable, sustainable solution to go under No. 19. We have already discussed the elderly and the retrofit grant. That is fine. We can include both of those under No. 19. We skipped the viability of apartment construction in Dublin city. You did not put a number on it, Chairman.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: That is okay. I propose to include it under No. 4, which you, Chairman, have referred to as construction costs in housing. I specifically want us to call out the viability of apartment building, as there is significant concern that it is unviable. That is it in a nutshell. I would welcome if we as a committee could examine that because we will need to figure it out if we want to have...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: It comes under the previous-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: No. 3 is really important. If we do not understand what is delivering value for money in housing, what are we at?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: We can look at it under No. 3 or No. 9. Either of them would be appropriate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Not really. While homelessness would be one of the streams in which the delivery of housing would be considered, it would be more appropriate under No. 3 or No. 9. On the comments on the issue of directly elected mayors, I accept what the former Lord Mayor of Dublin, Deputy McAuliffe, said and I am sure he will be looking for the nomination. On that point and on the point made by Deputy...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: Yes, we have. My thanks to the committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Committee Work Programme: Discussion (Resumed) (13 Oct 2020)

Mary Fitzpatrick: I support this issue being included but I take the point and share the concern that we will not get to it until next year. Is there a facility for the Chairman to write to the Minister with responsibility for the OPW? This is really an OPW issue. It is a local authority issue in that the local authorities are at the coalface when floods take place, but the OPW is responsible. Could the...

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