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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: The question was put to both Mr. Lynch and Mr. Coveney. If Mr. Lynch was aware that there were concerns then he should have made us aware of them, as an Oireachtas committee, representing the taxpayer but he did not.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Does Ms O'Leary take responsibility for the fiasco, as the person who is in charge of audit and risk?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Then Ms O'Leary should take responsibility that a project like that should not have gone ahead as that information was not made available.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: It is ironic that all three of them are not here to give answers.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: It is very easy to blame the people who are not here.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: In fairness, if you are in a role like that then you have to take responsibility. That is my view.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: This project was brought by two producers - Jane Murphy and Katherine Drohan. How much were they paid?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I do not think that is the case.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: In documentation that I have seen they were paid extra over the three-year period.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Yet when the project was a flop, they were transferred to other roles - an executive producer of "The Late Late Show" and RTÉ's editor of internal productions. They got a promotion.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: A fair point. I want to say to Ms Cusack about the exit package that €450,000 is a lot of money. In her role she is responsible to the taxpayer but, one, she did not question the approval process, and two, she did not ask how savings would be achieved, and yet she signed off on the approval by the executive board despite the fact she knew it was not approved by the board. I am the...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: The reality is it should have gone to the board.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: It has happened.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: That is why we are here.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I totally accept that they might not happen again but the confidence of licence fee payers is going down the Swanee because people who made significant mistakes in senior roles in the organisation have us here today. Ultimately, the money that is not being received from the licence fees will have be got from the Exchequer. That is the reality.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: There needs to be significant changes at the top level. Some have happened.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: More needs to happen if we are going to get the confidence of licence fee payers. They are the people I am listening to every day of the week.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I wish to address the chair of the board. Mr. Bakhurst mentioned, I think, being on the set of “Dancing with the Stars”. It brings me back to a statement I made with regard to this committee, on behalf of the taxpayer, nominating a person to the board who was not wanted by the chair of the board at the time. There was a threat to pull “Dancing with the Stars”...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: Yes, that is no problem.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Transparency of RTÉ Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues: Discussion (Resumed) (14 Feb 2024)

Micheál Carrigy: I would prefer to hear from the new chairperson of the board as well, with no disrespect to Ms O'Leary.

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