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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Does that sound like a response?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: It is not good enough, is it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Despite that, it is frequent. There are foster carers who tell me that they have not had respite for years while fostering children who have profound needs related to autism. They also have not seen a social worker for years. Looking at parental supports, that is, prevention as opposed to cure, in her opening statement, Ms Duggan talked about the increased number of presentations Tusla is...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Do you-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: However, when I asked, Tusla had not even allocated a budget for that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Hold on a second. What-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: When I asked Ms Duggan a question about budgeting, she was not able to answer me.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: You did not understand it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: The question was submitted as a parliamentary question.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: I asked about "the level of funding due to be allocated over the next 12 months to agencies within the remit of his Department to support the prevention and early intervention benefits of parenting support". What did Ms Duggan not understand?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: It was for both. It went to both because it is Tusla's allocation as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: When Ms Duggan says that they decide, does Tusla just give them the money?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Do they decide when they look for it or when it is allocated?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: I had several meetings with the HSE and Tusla regarding a particular child. There was a child protection issue for the whole family based on the child engaging in self-harm. He was an 11-year-old. As an organisation, Tusla promised the sun, moon and stars as regards supports. There were no supports forthcoming and, when the holidays came, the mother was unable to take the child back home....

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: As a result of Tusla not providing the supports it said it would ensure were provided, that child is now in residential care at a cost of €37,000 per month. That is not what annoyed everybody, however. What annoyed everybody was that the child was taken into University Hospital Waterford under section 12 and was provided with 24-hour care in the hospital under supervision from Tusla....

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: He needed a disability residential placement but the engagement from Tusla that was promised-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: What do you mean? I am sorry but, in fairness, I put something very simple to Ms Duggan. I said that I engaged with Tusla as well as with the HSE. There seems to be an awful problem whereby, when they come together, it is nobody's business. Tusla can say it is a matter for the HSE, as Ms Duggan just did, and the HSE can say it is a matter for Tusla.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: The residential placement had to be taken up because Tusla fell down on providing supports to the parent and family. It did not provide the supports it promised.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: You engaged with me, as a representative, and you engaged with the family.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022 - Tusla-Child and Family Agency (29 Feb 2024)

Verona Murphy: Ms Duggan did not personally but Tusla did.

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